This is me commenting on BB’s live stream, episode 1126. In this episode Owen discusses his recent victory against the Trinitarians. Further, three days earlier he found himself being ambushed by four catholic thought leaders, each of which possessing a rather considerable repertoire on the subject. However, God was with the Big Bear that day. Not one of these supposed experts had landed a single rhetorical, or dialectical blow, with BB never once being given pause, or being backed into any sort of intellectual corner. The primary flaw in the attackers’ strategy was a lack of scriptural foundation to their claims, their preferring to use art and creation as a means of illustrating God’s triunity. The problem with this approach, which Owen almost immediately exploited, is that he was the only one currently operating in a non-artificial environment, and a master piano player. The intention behind the Catholics’ approach was most likely to show the Big Bear that the number three finds itself being repeated all throughout nature, and everything beautiful. Meaning, the number three acts sort of like a thumbprint or signature of God, thus signifying that there is some transcendent importance behind it. All throughout this argument I don’t recall anyone straight up explaining who Jesus was praying to, which Owen repeatedly cites when he goes into scared-cow-slaying-mode on Catholic dogma. All of this being said, I agree that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit do possess a certain unity, prayer and rigorous study have established this fact in my mind quite sturdily. Now, one might say this perspective is the product of dormant Catholic conditioning from my past. My response to such an assertion would be this: I was raised essentially atheist, God put the drive to pursue him in my heart two years ago whilst I was in the depths of agnosticism. In fact, I quite clearly see now that the Holy Spirit is what compelled me to pick up that King James I had spotted in a flea market only nine or so months before my conversion, with me having no reason nor pre-existing interest in anything God-related at the time. Back to the subject at hand, I am curious what Catholics actually believe, do you think Jesus is his Father? I had always assumed Owen was strawmanning it on this point, but this recent intervention has made me unsure. Do Catholics think Jesus is the Father? If so, I agree with the Big Bear and his anti-Trinitarian crusade. Here is how I’ve been led (by the Spirit) to understand this, and I hope this is what all Trinitarians are driving at. Firstly, God is utterly transcendent and eternal, and yet we are imminent and temporal. In other words, we live in time, and in a lower dimension than him. The question becomes how does God create us without contradicting himself? How can a transcendent eternal make an imminent temporal? Does he come down to us? As soon as he does that he becomes eternal and temporal at the same time, and he becomes both immanent and transcendent at the same time, these are two contradictions that must be rejected. This is why the demiurge was theorized by Plato, because there is no other way to explain our existence without contradiction. So, how were we created if not by God directly? The answer, as with everything, is Jesus. God made us through the Logos. The Logos is an umbrella term signifying many other interrelated ones. To make a generalization, the Logos is the Father’s own voice, his inner and outer voice. His inward thoughts were projected outward when he spoke, just like how we communicate. This Speech, this Voice, this Word if you will, is the means by which God traversed the divide from where he is to where we are so that we might be created. This Logos has a separate consciousness from the Father, but he is one with him in the same way that our voice (inner and outer) is one within us. This makes perfect sense to me and I hope this is what Trinitarians mean when they defend it. So yeah, the Trinity is correct, but Owen crushed it in that debate. For now the Trinitarians must go home and lick their wounds, and perhaps pick up their bible and give it a read for a change. As for Owen, I hope he keeps on doing what he does best, and I also hope he’ll ask God about this subject one day, because it seems men really suck at explaining it.